ext_193136 ([identity profile] apple-crumble.livejournal.com) wrote in [personal profile] i_kender 2006-09-13 08:35 am (UTC)

I actually tried (albeit not very hard) to find out the etymology of the two phrases but gave up when I found this:

http://www.michaelkelly.fsnet.co.uk/qfather.htm

which I found rather funny.
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